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ensoriki · Dec 02, 2007, 11:46 PM // 23:46

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Originally Posted by yum

Bring mending I tink. And you must carefully time your Echo as well.

Rofl.

Warriors have tons of uses.
1)Melee comparisons
2) Whining
3)Making pugs look bad
4) Being fat
5)Giving out DPS
6) Echo Mending
7)Being fat
8)Using "charge!"
9) Frontliner
10) Adrenaline spike
11) being fat
12) Something for people to go say "Remember that class before sins and dervs?"
13)Secondary, for giving Insta-gib IAS's
14) For Illusionary Weaponry!
15) Frenzied Defense
16) farming
17) being fat
18) For people to lie and say "There not fat, there bulky"
19) Running my ass to Temple of Ages
20) Naming Ganondorf and /N or /E secondary
21) Something to kill
22) Body blocking
23) Good DPS without using a single skill
24) High armor
25) To have an even number of classes

Hey I posted the positives >.>.....so what if alot of em are negatives.

Stormlord Alex · Dec 02, 2007, 11:54 PM // 23:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by ensoriki

Rofl.

Warriors have tons of uses.
1)Melee comparisons
2) Whining
3)Making pugs look bad
4) Being fat
5)Giving out DPS
6) Echo Mending
7)Being fat
8)Using "charge!"
9) Frontliner
10) Adrenaline spike
11) being fat
12) Something for people to go say "Remember that class before sins and dervs?"
13)Secondary, for giving Insta-gib IAS's
14) For Illusionary Weaponry!
15) Frenzied Defense
16) farming
17) being fat
18) For people to lie and say "There not fat, there bulky"
19) Running my ass to Temple of Ages
20) Naming Ganondorf and /N or /E secondary
21) Something to kill

You forgot the most important one.
Owning face harder than any other class uncontested ever since day 1.

OP: Basically... Times have changed, aye. Passive defense, blocks, melee shutdown has become stronger over the years.
But the fact remains, warriors are the scariest damage dealing class in the game. Listen to the advice here, and you'll be fine. And don't worry if you find yourself blind, or needing a healer - it's a team game. The rest of the party keeps you healthy or shuts down the enemy, you tear stuff to pieces.

Sprites · Dec 03, 2007, 12:32 AM // 00:32

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

actually,doesnt D-Slasher dish out dmg in 100's?

for the moment , i play nf with only 12 sword , but i've not seen a 70 ....

but d-slash every 1.5 sec is nice

Kale Ironfist · Dec 03, 2007, 12:38 AM // 00:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sprites

for the moment , i play nf with only 12 sword , but i've not seen a 70 ....

but d-slash every 1.5 sec is nice

1.33 (4/3rds of a second), reduced to .8888... (8/9ths of a second) with 33% IAS.

And raise your swordsmanship to at least 14.

moriz · Dec 03, 2007, 12:53 AM // 00:53

warriors are the best melee profession in the game. their ability to survive, actively disrupt, and plain old damage surpasses pretty much anything else. if you're having problems, then you are doing it wrong.

Pure Trex · Dec 03, 2007, 01:13 AM // 01:13

I posted roughly the same post once and trust me i was extremely wrong warriors are your main source of killing on a team. If its PVP ur warrior isnt to good on then id go for the shock build. Im sure some one will let you know what tht is i would but i gotta shoot. its a little hard to get use to at first but once u know it, its deadly.

And listen to Stormlord Alex it was him who made me try tht build he knows whats hes on about.

Draginvry · Dec 03, 2007, 04:07 AM // 04:07

Did the OP just say that he was using Heal Sig at 3 Tactics? And I had always thought there wasn't a use for Mending. Now I realize I may be wrong.

There's no use in complaining that you need a monk when you don't even bring any self heals. And no, Heal Sig won't really heal you at 3 Tactics. It's not even worth bringing at 3 Tactics, in PvE or PvP. A zero spec Healing Breeze would be five times more usefull (I thought I would never be saying this).

You need to seriously rethink your strategy. IAS and Lion's Comfort may be a start.

RotteN · Dec 03, 2007, 12:47 PM // 12:47

if you get completely owned by any class even in AB (which is, no offence, the easiest form of PvP), you're obviously doing something wrong.

A simple shock axe build with healing signet can get a long way when played properly.

Eviscerate - executioner's strike - bull's strike - shock - frenzy - rush - healing signet - res signet

swap out res signet for enraging charge in AB and you're good to go.

14 axe mastery, 9 strength (with res signet) or 10 strength (with enraging), 11 tactics or 10 tactics

full survivor's insignia and one vitae rune or rune of clarity.

Right now there's no warrior PvP build that can outperform a shock axe in terms of versatility and (spike)damage.

Note that you won't win from for example a decent burning arrow ranger or another solo split build, but you should be able to deal with most AB builds.

Draginvry · Dec 03, 2007, 01:52 PM // 13:52

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Originally Posted by RotteN

well, i've seen warriors use firstorm and flare, so ...

That's better than a warrior saying "We don't need a monk, I have healing!"

Khasar · Dec 03, 2007, 03:12 PM // 15:12

Two words: Hamstorm Warrior. [skill]hamstring[/skill]+[skill]Meteor Shower[/skill]+[skill]Fire storm[/skill] >>>> all

Ok seriously though, I've always been a fan of the W/E. Max out your earth magic and bring [skill]Armor of earth[/skill] and some stances or other AL raising skills and you can tank pretty good.

If your fighting melee oponents [skill]Riposte[/skill][skill]deadly riposte[/skill][skill]Auspicious Parry[/skill] is an ok build since you block most of the attacks and what dmg you do take is greatly reduced because of Armor of Earth.

The downside is that its all conditional damage. They need to attack you for it to work.

Turtle222 · Dec 03, 2007, 07:14 PM // 19:14

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Originally Posted by moriz

warriors are the best melee profession in the game. their ability to survive, actively disrupt, and plain old damage surpasses pretty much anything else. if you're having problems, then you are doing it wrong.

/disagree

dervs outclass the warrior, but that would be going off-topic.

warriors are definitely not useless. they can adapt to many roles, including Cond spamming, Kding, spiking, running, farming..the list goes on mate

ps. i agree with stormlord alex' post...for once

Infernii · Dec 03, 2007, 07:21 PM // 19:21

Trust me: I never skip advice.
Testing few things atm...

Thank you all.
It seems just my build doesn't work anymore, but yes, plenty of other types out there.
Thank you all, again...

yum · Dec 03, 2007, 07:59 PM // 19:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turtle222

dervs outclass the warrior.

I think farming too much is not good for your brain.

Pyro maniac · Dec 03, 2007, 08:03 PM // 20:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khasar

Two words: Hamstorm Warrior. [skill]hamstring[/skill]+[skill]Meteor Shower[/skill]+[skill]Fire storm[/skill] >>>> all

Ok seriously though, I've always been a fan of the W/E. Max out your earth magic and bring [skill]Armor of earth[/skill] and some stances or other AL raising skills and you can tank pretty good.

If your fighting melee oponents [skill]Riposte[/skill][skill]deadly riposte[/skill][skill]Auspicious Parry[/skill] is an ok build since you block most of the attacks and what dmg you do take is greatly reduced because of Armor of Earth.

The downside is that its all conditional damage. They need to attack you for it to work.

prefer the hamstorm build over the other builds that you posted ..

[skill]Eviscerate[/skill]+[skill]Executioner's Strike[/skill] = damage in two skill slots

for PvE: Dragon slash + Save Yourselves is still king

Pure Trex · Dec 04, 2007, 01:37 AM // 01:37

As nooby as it sounds lol i have heard of RA, TA, HA, HoH....Buts whats AB?

wolfmane · Dec 04, 2007, 01:44 AM // 01:44

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Originally Posted by Pure Trex

As nooby as it sounds lol i have heard of RA, TA, HA, HoH....Buts whats AB?

Luxon V Kurzicks (Alliance battles)

And to keep on topic... The warrior is only effective if you know how to play them. It has the most solo builds, and is the most felible of all the professions. A good dmg output when needed, good pressure (with certain skills to add to the conditions) and obviously the best tank when needed.

As for the primary skills. The sword is good for pressure, axe for dmg output and many strength and tactics buffs supply a good means of defense or tanking alone.

The warrior is definately not a class to be dismissed that easily.

Infernii · Dec 04, 2007, 04:29 AM // 04:29

aah sweet!
sadly I am W/R atm...
once I have the change I will swap the R tho.

Bryant Again · Dec 04, 2007, 05:41 AM // 05:41

Warriors useless? Depends on how you look at them.

In terms of "tanking," yes most of the time they are useless. But that's giving them the wrong role. My Warrior is currently going DPS with flail, rush, some other jibbily, etc. Not to mention Dragon Slash plus "Save Yourselves!" can give some pretty sweet support if you're getting annoyed with certain areas.

Keekles · Dec 04, 2007, 07:02 AM // 07:02

Warriors are great for bashing other peoples faces in.

For me, it's especially fun in AB, when you have a team of guild/alliance mates on vent/ts coordinating whose face to put into the ground next.

I don't find warriors useless at all. Unless you're trying to play a role they aren't fit for. If you're just there to bash stuff into pieces, the warrior does that role just fine. Just don't be stupid.

Magikarp · Dec 04, 2007, 09:10 AM // 09:10

warriors are one of the main forms of direct damage and deep wound spiking in the game. next to the holy trinity, only rangers and mesmers play a more important role in pvp, and for pve, you'd be a fool to think that the king of melee is "useless". no other class pulls off the consistant, never ending dps of the class, and when all other classes run out of energy, get cornered, or hunted down, the warrior is one of the few classes that can either bail you out, or turn the tides by taking out foes like lightning. only thing close to that is mesmers and possibly a paragon spike.

warriors have been a backbone to this game, and you'd be smart to just reasearch more, and continue playing, but with a better build and strategy. good luck.